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Post by Midnight Rider on Jan 21, 2021 17:51:21 GMT
I guess they didnt get the unity message.
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Post by yeshuapantera on Jan 21, 2021 20:47:59 GMT
I guess they didnt get the unity message. Not at all. And there's something going on now that transcends party lines by the looks of it. This is an anarchist problem extending out from the goings on last summer. All of it. Including the "selfie insurrection." These folks that are talking 'burn down the system' are beyond the regular democrats and republicans out there that make up the voter base. This is something else. They want America taken down, basically. And a new country reinstated. The existing constitutional republic gone. Majority conservatives and majority liberals do not profess that. If this continues for very long or ramps up further, I can see a situation forming where patriotic Americans will have to join forces to some degree against the threat of anarchists and domestic terror. Let's reflect on all of those old gun control conversations in ToT over the years. This is it. You guys arguing for the left have been saying for years, 'what do you think common people are going to do against the US military with hand guns and semi automatics?' That's what these anarchists are facing. How do they expect to tear down the US against the force of the majority of armed citizens + the US military? Sounds like throwing a snow ball through the gates of hell......
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Post by Midnight Rider on Jan 21, 2021 22:53:54 GMT
Most of us in any party want peace, security, safety.
Unless someone can really point to some solid concrete issue about why America sucks so bad that they need to completely tear it down and need to break windows and riot I think they are just pissed about the pandemic, being cooped up at home and need an outlet. They have pent up energy.
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Post by yeshuapantera on Jan 22, 2021 2:13:50 GMT
Putting the pandemic behind us should go a long way where that is concerned.
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Post by yeshuapantera on Jan 22, 2021 18:54:22 GMT
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Post by Midnight Rider on Jan 22, 2021 19:32:52 GMT
But the past is the past...
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Post by mwc on Jan 22, 2021 23:42:46 GMT
So to sum up...no true Scotsman. They ain't a part of my true religion. We're a religion of peace. Must have been someone else. Heretics maybe?
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Post by yeshuapantera on Jan 23, 2021 1:53:16 GMT
Here's some more on the anarchist's in Portland and Seattle:
Carrying a banner reading: "We don't want Biden we want revenge"
The anarchist movement has made itself pretty clear now. No police, no president, no law...
I suppose this going to end up raising brow's at the DNC now that they're in power and are responsible to start dealing with the anarchist problem.
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Post by yeshuapantera on Jan 23, 2021 1:58:53 GMT
So to sum up...no true Scotsman. They ain't a part of my true religion. We're a religion of peace. Must have been someone else. Heretics maybe? I suppose that's how the DNC is handling it. Not their people. When the rioters are breaking the windows at the democratic headquarters and carrying banners describing that they don't support Biden, yeah, there's a pretty obvious split going down between the rioters and the DNC. This is just raw, mindless rebellion at this point. We have no idea what we want or how we're going to it, but we'll burn shit down and oppose any and all government.
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Post by mwc on Jan 23, 2021 15:47:51 GMT
No, I mean only listening to apologetic sources. I understand the power of religion and cults. The whole us vs. them. Good vs. evil mentality. The idea that you've tapped into some grand secret truth that, for some reason, others refuse or are unable to see. The far-right, fundamentalist evangelicals all think that they're right smack in the center but we all know they're not. The same applies here with these videos from places like The Epoch Times. They're anything but. I know the responses as do you. That I'm being unfair. That all sides are being subjective and that all sides are cherry-picking their sources. Except, from experience, once we leave the religion we know this is an untruth. Those in religion only source from a small pool. They have their chosen voices they listen to. They have been trained to distrust non-approved sources and institutions. As a result they're drawn further and further in. And that's what they project onto others. Once freed from that the realization sets in that not everyone is behaving in that fashion.
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Post by Midnight Rider on Jan 23, 2021 19:45:40 GMT
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Post by disillusioned on Jan 24, 2021 2:13:14 GMT
From the outside, it looks like a cult. Just like how from the outside it looked like an attempted coup. But I'm sure those on the inside have many reasons why these observations aren't legitimate.
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Post by yeshuapantera on Jan 25, 2021 3:04:01 GMT
From the outside, it looks like a cult. Just like how from the outside it looked like an attempted coup. But I'm sure those on the inside have many reasons why these observations aren't legitimate. That's just it, from outside of the US things "look" like this or that. For instance, we see on the news lots of low hanging fruit. This is generally what people go for. The fringe of the two dominant voter bases. Because it's easy to pick at. The vast majority of Biden voters were not likely the mindless young progressive types seen on the news burning and rioting last year into right now. It's not different with the Trump base. It's huge and very wide spread geographically across the nation. The few people in the "selfie insurrection" don't some how represent more than the 300 or so out of 74,000,000 or more voters. And it's made of all types. Mostly just average joe citizens who don't agree with todays left wing politics. It's a never Clinton or never Biden or any one similar vote. Very common people who simply don't like what the left has gotten into these days. Seems to me that a lot of the Biden vote was a never Trump vote. By ordinary people who didn't like Trump and probably didn't like Biden all that much either. Plus the other shenanigans that appear to have affected the vote and contributed to voter counts. The media, however, is focused in on the low hanging fruit to the right and left of the fruit tree. Which then gets projected out to the world...
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Post by Midnight Rider on Jan 25, 2021 6:44:31 GMT
What exactly are the glaring major differences between left wing politics and right wing politics?
How do left wing people live their lives differently than right wing people?
For ten years I was a registered Republican, then one day I switched to Democrat. Nothing happened.
Sure, there are the immigration issues, fossil fuel, global warming, Roe V Wade, the usual shit that people disagree on, but I think when you dig deep to the bottom of someone's politics you discover a lot of emotion, very few facts and much to their chagrin, notice they live and have wants which are pretty much similar to everyone else.
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What exactly is 'conservative' about letting every joe citizen own a gun for no particular reason (other than the 2A which we already have a military for) ? What is 'liberal' about tight gun control?
What is conservative about wanting to stay with coal, fossil fuel while ignoring global warming? What is 'liberal' about banning Super Big Gulps at the 7-11?
Liberal and conservative in the political sense dont really mean what their original word roots mean.
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Post by yeshuapantera on Jan 25, 2021 13:35:51 GMT
Yes, it's gotten increasingly extreme and polarized. You take average folks like the two of us and we're not into president worship, or hard partisanship that controls everything. But there clearly are people around who have taken up president worship, mostly the religious right voters. But even among them, it's the more extreme varieties of conservatives.
What I've found is that the independent vote is huge, though. Probably increasing due to the extreme polarizing of democrats and republicans. And they don't tend to like high controversy and drama. It looks like Trump lost a lot of the independent vote because of his high drama persona. They'r voting to try and settle things down.
Well, on that thought, Biden and the DNC probably need to watch out as well. Because hardline revenge moves and continued drama could very well lose them the independent votes in two and four years if they don't project a more well-collected persona. They could find themselves in the bad guy seat due to public opinion concerning the independent vote.
It may turn out that an increasing independent voter base is the only thing that can force some balance to the equation.
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