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Post by Midnight Rider on Feb 23, 2019 16:23:36 GMT
Am I right?
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Post by yeshuapantera on Jan 11, 2021 2:17:53 GMT
How about agree and disagree?
He's all ego and something of a narcissist. I understand why he's viewed as terrible.
But at the same time, I like the fact that he was getting shit done. The economy was booming. And I like the policy of putting our country first. Bringing jobs back to the US. And as a libertarian-minded guy, I like the policy of staying out of overseas wars - at least wars that are entirely unnecessary for us to be involved in.
That ship has sailed, though. I was hoping for 4 more years of building the nation up like he had been doing. I don't know what to expect now. I am hoping for the best in terms of the bar being raised high and a lot of pressure falling on the next administration to match or one-up the economic conditions that Trump provided.
Being libertarian minded, I realize that we are nowhere close to having a libertarian president. So I look for the closest thing to it coming out of the GOP or DNC. I like where Yang was trying to go. But the DNC is very far removed from libertarian values at the moment. They were not going to run a guy like Yang. The GOP has been closer to the mark.
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Post by Midnight Rider on Jan 11, 2021 19:58:04 GMT
Yes, "Am I right" is a poor approach. Since election day 2020 I am more and more convinced there is no 'right or wrong' with politics...just my personal beliefs vs someone else's.
Agree and Disagree is a better approach.
Every president get's shit done, imo. But I'm not sure a president is responsible for the economy. Nor responsible for Covid. I would have to agree it's good putting our country first, though we 'can' keep a lower profile about nationalism.
Kudos to Trump for staying out of wars. I agree with that choice.
What I've heard from several people lately is "Do you hate the man or his policies?" as if the policies don't come from the man's personality. I'm not sure he really has policies short of doing what a handful of his aids tell him he better do at the last minute before things blow up.
I think if he had stifled the ego and narcissism he would have been viewed as a pretty darn good president. But this failure to accept reality of the election has seriously harmed him ... and then the insurrection. He has totally lost his mind, imo.
My final blah blah is about dividing the nation. GOP is good, but dems are evil? And that idea has seriously infected the nation. Worse than it's ever been. Thankfully 'most' people who are GOP or Dem maintain a moderate attitude. Thank goodness the wackos rushing into the capitol building are the fringe and not a mainstream majority...or we would be in a civil war.
My opinion. Politics is 90% opinion, I think. lol.
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Post by yeshuapantera on Jan 12, 2021 1:49:54 GMT
I think if he had stifled the ego and narcissism he would have been viewed as a pretty darn good president. But this failure to accept reality of the election has seriously harmed him ... and then the insurrection. He has totally lost his mind, imo. I agree on the ego part. If he stuck to the same policies minus the ego, he would have likely made less enemies. But the second part I am very unsure of. I realize that it's easy to dismiss Trump as out of touch with reality, but it's much more complicated than that. I don't think it's cut and dry as to what really happened. We have no display of objective evidence to judge the situation. He could be out of touch reality, but we won't know if that's fact because they wouldn't allow the court cases to fully play out. I have a really hard time believing that after rejecting the 2016 election, and spending 4 years trying to get Trump removed, failing at getting him out through impeachment, that the DNC had no motive to cheat the election. They have every motive. And unless they can fight and win in court against all of the allegations and evidences, I'm left with the obvious default conclusion. The allegations are probably correct....
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Post by Midnight Rider on Jan 12, 2021 5:36:03 GMT
[/quote]I agree on the ego part. If he stuck to the same policies minus the ego, he would have likely made less enemies. But the second part I am very unsure of. I realize that it's easy to dismiss Trump as out of touch with reality, but it's much more complicated than that. I don't think it's cut and dry as to what really happened. We have no display of objective evidence to judge the situation. He could be out of touch reality, but we won't know if that's fact because they wouldn't allow the court cases to fully play out. I have a really hard time believing that after rejecting the 2016 election, and spending 4 years trying to get Trump removed, failing at getting him out through impeachment, that the DNC had no motive to cheat the election. They have every motive. And unless they can fight and win in court against all of the allegations and evidences, I'm left with the obvious default conclusion. The allegations are probably correct....[/quote] We have no objective evidence .... where have I heard that before? What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I agree that the DNC had motive to cheat the election. How would it be accomplished? Are secret DNC operatives in control of voting in every city, county and state in the USA? Is everyone who says he's a Republican, really secretly a DNC agent? .... You know, when Trump won the election, my wife and I said, "Ah shit." And then we went on with our lives. We didnt claim fraud. We accepted reality. I dont know if Obama filed a ton of lawsuits but I dont recall him claiming massive fraud. The wife and I didnt grasp at every straw possible no matter how small or ridiculous to keep our hero in power. .... I was thinking. If the truth is out there about this election .... couldnt we also speculate that maybe the guy in the White House isn't really Donald Trump...maybe it's an imposter placed there four years ago by the DNC to tarnish his name. The real Trump is being held in a Turkish prison. When do we stop with the mental gymnastics and just admit that Trump lost? .... So who is planning the 50 capitol protests coming up? Antifa? Trump supporters? Anyway, we need more players here on the forum. I might need to take a day off after all this furious typing.
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Post by logicalfallacy on Jan 12, 2021 9:23:53 GMT
Yes you are. The best description I've heard of him is the Tangerine Terror. Beats all other descriptors. Prove me wrong.
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Post by Midnight Rider on Jan 12, 2021 17:43:05 GMT
Yes you are. The best description I've heard of him is the Tangerine Terror. Beats all other descriptors. Prove me wrong. Wow, we agree on something! woohoo! I just dont see why people worship Trump. It is beyond me. I've never worshiped anyone I've voted for. I did think Obama was pretty good, but I also at times disagreed with him. I've never had a political bumper sticker on my car. Never worn politician baseball caps or shirts or waved a flag with my hero's name on it. What I have learned though is to more critically think about the person I voted for. I dont know why it is so vital for Trump's base that he be re-elected, even so far as insurrections and further nonsense we will have to endure in the coming days ahead. I dont know why people are willing to join the Trump Election Victory Fantasy. This whole 'massive fraud' farce is reminiscent of the people that want to convince me of Jesus. It might be something they really really really want to believe...there's just no evidence for it. Evidence is still important, right? Someone can twist and manipulate and do mental gymnastics to shift blame, but you're just doing yourself a disservice, imo. If someone can convince themselves that Trump was victorious or that the Jan 6 thing was "mostly" antifa or BLM, I can convince myself that I can eat this donut and not get fat. Well, fatter. I dont need a hero. I dont want a hero. I dont want politics or a politician to be my own personal identity. I voted. I will try to stay agnostic during the next 4 years.
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Post by yeshuapantera on Jan 12, 2021 19:50:49 GMT
ex-christian.freeforums.net/thread/36/election-integrity-case-studyAs to evidence, there's a whole lot of it. I started the thread above to try and study the data investigations. But it requires looking and taking in the pieces of evidence that do exist. People claiming no evidence are largely mistaken. It gets passed around in liberal news media outlet's and I think a lot of the public end up taking them at their word and not investigating it for themselves. I have been trying to take it serious and follow the investigations. Cross-reference between liberal and conservative claims and see where the truth ends up falling against the actual evidence and data analysis. So to answer you, yes, the evidence is always important. As to antifa, I doubt it was mostly antifa. That's not who they operate. They tend to send in small crowds to incite violence and stir up the larger crowd to action. As in showing up at the BLM protests over the summer and stirring the larger crowd into action and setting something into motion. Not all of those arrested were Trump supporters and I posted a video from Facts Matter about that. They are still investigating what exactly happened.
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