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Post by yeshuapantera on Feb 24, 2019 20:30:45 GMT
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Post by Midnight Rider on Mar 24, 2019 19:21:44 GMT
Been reading chapter 8 in Radin's Real Magic book. Page 188 forward talking about (C)onsciousness (universal consciousness) and (c)onsciousness (our own individual awareness) being part of the inseparable whole of reality.
Reality is all one thing, yet the physical universe is like a mountain peak and human consciousness is also like a mountain peak. For whatever reason consciousness is aware of the physical universe but nothing else. Below the level of conscious awareness is the subconscious and gnostic level of awareness as well as a quantum physical level and subquantum physical level, all of which are part of the same mountain.
And so physics and consciousness are both different areas of the same non-dual reality. Pretty cool.
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Post by yeshuapantera on Mar 27, 2019 12:27:26 GMT
Seems like we've just barely broken into consciousness with the natural sciences. There's obviously a ton to be discovered yet. That's why I like Radin's pioneering attitude. Someone has to set pussy footing aside and dive in and take it seriously in order to run the tests and get down to what we can actually know on the subject. I kept hearing people claiming that all testing has failed and other such nonsense that turns out to not even be true or accurate. The issue gets emotionally charged by both religionist's and atheists. Each one trying to hold and maintain their respective status quo world views that don't allow for a lot of this to be true.
Stepping outside of the box isn't always easy. And granted, personality has a lot to do with it. It probably turns out that you and I have personalities that are very open to change, experimentation towards discovering truths and so on. In my case that's pretty much a given and I test consistently INTJ per Myers Briggs. Interests in this sort of unorthodox type of investigation is exactly expected of that personality type. In the east where this sort of thinking did become orthodox, it did so based on meditation and close and careful attention to observing the natural world and the natural order. All of the cyclic reasoning, for instance, came from close observation of the cyclic nature of reality. And then it was mythologizing into the eastern mythological traditions - the Vedas and so on. That same experimental type of interaction and analysis of reality is what brought about Consciousness into the cyclic modeling. It was intuitive. That's my take on the history of eastern mysticism, anywho.
But I expect that it's roughly true and a primitive glimpse of what's actually going on. To further understand the details science will likely have to dig into it and map it out, which, Radin is pioneering. Some of the testing that shows consciousness interacting with double slit observation regardless of distance between observer and device, is pretty wild. An expected result per eastern thinkers, though. Since I began paying close attention (around 15 years ago) to the correlation between thoughts and emotions, the subconscious mind, and how the two tend to unfold as interactive with the outside world - I've noticed the same basic things that the ancient sages who first came up with these ideas were noticing. There are unmistakable correspondences. That can go in either negative or positive directions. I do look forward to further research in these areas because it's very interesting to me.
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Post by Midnight Rider on Mar 29, 2019 5:05:48 GMT
I've heard how the church being in control of society during the dark ages stunted humanity's knowledge and delayed scientific discoveries and innovation...
Well, I might say that refusing to entertain the notion of any reality outside of the safe confines of a materialist universe could also be delaying new scientific discoveries.
I had a 300 baud dial up modem in the 1980s. I'm glad scientists/engineers didnt declare that to be the "holy baud rate of science" and stop innovating. The word 'impossible', in the context of science and experimentation is irritating and silly. It is self-limiting nonsense.
Stepping outside the box isnt easy. Some people like Radin or Hoffman or other pioneers are going to take a lot of heat for not thinking the same way as other scientists but they are helping pave the way for exploration into Consciousness. And the younger generation of scientists will lay the older generation to rest , then freely pursue science without bullshit constraints that smack of religious dogma.
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Post by yeshuapantera on Apr 1, 2019 12:14:36 GMT
I've heard how the church being in control of society during the dark ages stunted humanity's knowledge and delayed scientific discoveries and innovation... Well, I might say that refusing to entertain the notion of any reality outside of the safe confines of a materialist universe could also be delaying new scientific discoveries. I had a 300 baud dial up modem in the 1980s. I'm glad scientists/engineers didnt declare that to be the "holy baud rate of science" and stop innovating. The word 'impossible', in the context of science and experimentation is irritating and silly. It is self-limiting nonsense. Stepping outside the box isnt easy. Some people like Radin or Hoffman or other pioneers are going to take a lot of heat for not thinking the same way as other scientists but they are helping pave the way for exploration into Consciousness. And the younger generation of scientists will lay the older generation to rest , then freely pursue science without bullshit constraints that smack of religious dogma. I think the problem here is that the churches have been wrong about pretty much everything they are claiming. They're power and influence peaked and then began subsiding after the scientific revolution. So there was a strict counter reaction to fallacious religious claims that ran in the direction of skepticism. But unfortunately the push towards skepticism seems to have over shot the mark in some cases and become more of a "pseudo skepticism." It seems to me that that's what has taken a popular hold coming into the contemporary period. If it turns out that consciousness is interactive like they're discovering through experimentation, then it's just a matter of previously unknown science. I agree that self-limiting attitudes are silly in that context. Maybe I should post a video from Donald Hoffman for anyone interested in seeing what we're critiquing here:
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